RAW 8/29/05: Matt Hardy vs Edge

[Iceman]

RAW 8/29/05: Matt Hardy vs Edge

This was the only match I really caught since I was watching NFL Football earlier. I thought this match was pretty good and hardcore. Matt Hardy is looking like a great wrestler or might I even say a Star? He had some good power moves, the Superplex and Superfly Leg Drop, lol, not too bad. Then at the end when he drove Edge into the Electronic Table/Board. Pretty crazy match, even reminded me of ECW, lol.

Oh, saw Flair come out at the end, was cool seeing him kick some butt again and by the side of HBK. Then again I liked HBK and Hogan side by side but Vince sure changed that quick which I didn't like. They were better as a team. HBK and Flair would make a nice team or better yet could start a nice Stable.

[Wrestling Chick]

I am so worried about Adam right now. I could give two squirts o' monkey piss about Hardy...stupid f*ck...he knew Adam's gone through neck surgery already...that sh*t was just out o' spite...f*ckin' @$$hole! Sorry, I'm just really pissed, and really scared for Edge...the look on his face was real: he was scared sh!tless about his neck. I hope he's okay. Matt wants to take it there, fine...I say Adam takes a chair to his f*ckin' knee ala Steve Austin/Brian Pillman...

[Iceman]

wrestlingchc said:

I am so worried about Adam right now. I could give two squirts o' monkey piss about Hardy...stupid f*ck...he knew Adam's gone through neck surgery already...that sh*t was just out o' spite...f*ckin' @$$hole! Sorry, I'm just really pissed, and really scared for Edge...the look on his face was real: he was scared sh!tless about his neck. I hope he's okay. Matt wants to take it there, fine...I say Adam takes a chair to his f*ckin' knee ala Steve Austin/Brian Pillman...

Hmm...so you think Matt doing that was not a "work" but real? I have been slightly fooled in the past with the Matt/Edge stuff at first, so now I think it's all a "work". It did look like they got hurt and of course Matt could be so mad at Edge that he'd do that. But to see the electric sparks and all, it has to be a work. But maybe in the "work" Matt used more force or pressure on Edge's neck? Who knows?

[Wrestling Chick]

I think this match had less stiff shots in it then their one at Summerslam, but there's always gonna be harboring ill-will between these two guys. The sparks looked a little shady, but the impact with which they hit...it just pulled at my heart strings. I always get worried when the guys take crazy bumps, and this one was no less scarier, whether they're still pullin' a work or not.

[Iceman]

True, they had to get some bumps going through that table/board. Edge has to hate going through stuff like that neck first I would think, especially considering he's in Matt's hands and Matt may inside want payback. If I were Edge I wouldn't want that move done to me if I had a serious neck surgery before.

I am not an Edge fan (probably hate him the most out of all the Wrestlers in WWE), not a Matt fan (was at first though when Lita cheated on him with Edge). But thought Matt just looked real good in this match with his moves.

[Wrestling Chick]

I don't think I was ever really a Matt fan...like, I totally dug the Hardy Boyz, but I always favored Jeff moreso than Matt. Even when he was doin' his whole thing with Lita by himself, it was kinda like, well, I'll watch 'cuz Lita's out there. The "V1" thing didn't go over well with me, either.

I've always been an Edge fan, from his days in the Brood. I just think he's a great wrestler, and a great entertainer. He's taken this personal situation, and handled it in an adult manner (which is more than I can for one Matt Hardy), by just rollin' with it, and waitin' until it passes. And I totally feel ya on not wantin' to take any bumps like that with Matt...I don't care what anybody says, Matt Hardy is a vindictive S.O.B., and I think if he had the chance, he would try to hurt Adam as much as Adam hurt him.

["The Tie-Dye Dream" Ricky Cool]

There both as bad as each other.

And If I were Adam "Edge" Copeland Matt Hardy isn't the only one he should be worried about. By all accounts Edge may have the backing of The Creative team and what have you in this matter.

But the lockeroom and actual talant are all mainly on Matts side. And some of them are very freindly with Matt so they may very well work stiff against Edge from now on.

Weather they would work on his neck of cores is anyones guess. But he might be comeing out of match fro the forseable futer with a couple of black & blues.

[Wrestling Chick]

ricky said:

There both as bad as each other.

And If I were Adam "Edge" Copeland Matt Hardy isn't the only one he should be worried about. By all accounts Edge may have the backing of The Creative team and what have you in this matter.

But the lockeroom and actual talant are all mainly on Matts side. And some of them are very freindly with Matt so they may very well work stiff against Edge from now on.

Weather they would work on his neck of cores is anyones guess. But he might be comeing out of match fro the forseable futer with a couple of black & blues.

I'm sure that everyone in the WWE, wrestlers and staff alike, recognize that what Adam did was indeed wrong. However, I doubt that the wrestlers would seek to "punish" Adam in the ring. After all, they had nothing to do with the situation. Matt is the one who handled that situation all wrong, just like Adam has said time and time before. Instead of dealing with his personal issues *privately*, he took it into a public forum. In the RAW magazine with those three on the cover, even Matt said that there are only four people who know *all* the correct details of what happened. In my opinion, that's all who *should* know, and should deal with the situation.

["The Tie-Dye Dream" Ricky Cool]

I don't know you hear some stories about what Wrestlers do to other wrestlers who have wronged them or there freinds.

And The WWE Officals (Vince and Co not the refs) themselves arn't above arranging "punishment" matches for wrestlers who transgress the lockroom laws.

Why do you think Hardcore Holly and JBL still have jobs???

The WWE used to use The Acoylites in that copasity. They were sent into a match with The Public Enemey with spercific instrutions to work stiff.

[Wrestling Chick]

My whole thing is that fans shouldn't worry about what's goin' on backstage too much. That's for the wrestlers themselves to do. Adam and Amy have to live with what they did to Matt, and from what they've said publicly (unwillingly, I might add, since their private lives were put under public scrutiny by Matt Hardy), they've moved on. Payin' too much attention to what happens behind the scenes takes all the fun out of watching RAW/Smackdown every week. It's not our business what these guys do behind the curtain; our business should be whether or not we are entertained by what they do from 9-11 p.m. on Mondays and 8-10 p.m. on Thursdays.

People get all caught up in what's goin' on behind the scenes, and consider themselves "smarks" or whatever, instead of paying attention to what's goin' on storyline-wise. This situation with Matt and Adam is unique because it has been brought public, but there's tons of other examples that I could bring out, like people's issues with Triple H's backstage power, Shawn Michaels' disdain of Hulk Hogan, etc. None of us know anything more than we're allowed to know, and I don't think it's right for us to think otherwise.

I became jaded to watching wrestling a few years ago because I was sooo concerned about who was not movin' over, who wasn't doin' their job, blah blah blah...but once I started remembering what got me into wrestling in the first place, that's when I became a fan all over again. I think fans these days need to remember why they fell in love with sports-entertainment in the first place, instead of trying to be so freakin' "knowledgeable" about what happens when the TV cameras aren't on.

[Iceman]

wrestlingchc said:

I became jaded to watching wrestling a few years ago because I was sooo concerned about who was not movin' over, who wasn't doin' their job, blah blah blah...but once I started remembering what got me into wrestling in the first place, that's when I became a fan all over again. I think fans these days need to remember why they fell in love with sports-entertainment in the first place, instead of trying to be so freakin' "knowledgeable" about what happens when the TV cameras aren't on.

I could see that point, just enjoy Wrestling for what it is on TV and in the Ring. When I was younger watching Piper, Jesse Ventura, Hulk Hogan, Randy Savage, Ricky Steamboat, Mr.T, Lanny Poffo, and Bobby Heenan I had no idea what they were doing in "real" life and didn't care, just enjoyed what they did in the WWF so much. Great stuff back then. Miss it.

[Wrestling Chick]

admin said:

I could see that point, just enjoy Wrestling for what it is on TV and in the Ring. When I was younger watching Piper, Jesse Ventura, Hulk Hogan, Randy Savage, Ricky Steamboat, Mr.T, Lanny Poffo, and Bobby Heenan I had no idea what they were doing in "real" life and didn't care, just enjoyed what they did in the WWF so much. Great stuff back then. Miss it.

Exactly my point, Iceman. For the me, the Monday Night Wars were the greatest time period. Since I didn't start watchin' 'til around '92/93 anyway, I guess that's expected. But not knowin' who was doin' what backstage didn't bother me in the least; the most I did was read fan-fiction online. I'm a girl, sue me. I do miss the days when I was absolutely naive about wrestling, when I could simply enjoy what the Superstars did on my television...with the Internet, though, anybody can pretty much find out anything about the business...and I think that has negatively impacted wrestling as much as it has positively influenced it.

[OR619]

I sat and watched Raw with my son on Tuesday morning here in the UK after taping the live broadcast. I like the Carlito character and the Cabana section was not to bad this week. I'd like to see Masters in a few more high profile matches as I think he could make a top tier heel in the future hopefully down the line we will see him in singles action with HBK to see how he can hang with the top guys. When are we going to see Carlito in action ! His mic skills are great but I've yet to see the in ring ability that WWE officials were so high on yet. Then we get a Big Show squash mathc which should have been on Heat ! and then a diva piece which we fast forwarded past (although Ashley is hot !) Then we finally get a real match ! I thought the Hardy Edge match was great and added further fuel to the storyline. There were more stiff shots in the Summerslam match but this was an altoghether better contest. I think that Matt and Edge are both professional enough to be trusted in this situation and that neither would ever want to seriously hurt the other. They were both fine after the match according to reports , and I think the WWE have dealt with the storyline well so far. In fact for the first time in many years I actually couldn't tell if we were being worked when Matt first appeared on Raw a few weeks back !! WWE helped with that when they refused to acknowledge his appearances , good job guys !
Then more talk ! but when its Cena and Angle you have two of the best in the game on the mics so it wasn't to bad. Could be a good match when these two get it on again. Then another Heat match that slipped onto Raw ! Tyson Tomko Vs Rosey. Tomko has yet to show much in the ring imho and I thought he would be one of the roster cuts that we had recently. Another squash surely Tomko is not getting a push ??
Question what is the point of tag team champions on Raw these days ?
The tag team main event was a pretty good match to close what was a pretty average Raw imho. Two decent matches in two hours plus is not a great ratio though !

["The Tie-Dye Dream" Ricky Cool]

To put it plainly the brand extension has run its corse.

Vince seriusly needs to combine the 2 brands again. Or Smackdown will ceasse to exisit (and I'm not kidding) it will go the way of WCW.

Vince needs to Bring the 2 brands back together have talant compet on both shows Combine The Tag Belts, but leave The World & WWE Belts sepret it works better that way in my oppinon.



As for RAW This week. I'm likeing Shawn as a Tweener. How much better is he now then when he was just Mr Goody Two Shoes??

Masters has potenshial.

Carlito seriusly needs to buck his in-ring skills up a notch.

Big Show vs Snitsky WHAT THE HELL??? (I Actualy Like Show as a Face and always have but this is not a good idea.)


Ric Flair is Face now huh??? I belive that ONLY when Triple H is reveled as his Attacker.

[Iceman]

Yeah, I agree, they should combine both RAW and Smackdown rosters and just have WWE like they used to. Never really liked the idea in the first place of having 2 different rosters.