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Post by Iceman on Oct 4, 2005 23:44:09 GMT -5
What's the deal with Randy Savage and Vince McMahon?
Vince has made all ties with former Rivals and WWF Superstars who we thought he may never have. Some examples are: Hulk Hogan, Jesse Ventura, Bret Hart, Eric Bischoff, Jerry Lawler, etc. But not with Randy Savage (my favorite Wrestler ever). They must really have some deep hatred between them. It was even weird not seeing him at the Legends Homecoming on RAW or not in the WWF/WWE in over 15 years, now how weird it that considering how much Randy did and has accomplished in the WWF. He is also never mentioned about going into the WWE Hall of Fame. I have heard a rumor about Stephanie slightly, that Randy took Stephanie's virginity and that is why Vince hates Randy, but didn't believe it. Even if that's simply it, geez, somebody had to be the first right? Wish I knew the real answer between the "Madness" of Randy and Vince.
Does anybody know why Randy hasn't been associated with the WWE and Vince in the last 15 years?
Are we gonna soon see another Vince bashing of a Wrestler DVD like he did of the Ultimate Warrior recently but this time of Randy Savage?
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Post by tysontomko on Oct 5, 2005 1:15:41 GMT -5
That could be the reason why Randy&Liz divorced?
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Post by Iceman on Oct 5, 2005 4:19:20 GMT -5
Never thought of that, but if the Stephanie McMahon story was true and around the same time, then that would probably be part of the reason why Randy and Elizabeth got a divorce.
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Post by Hellwig on Oct 5, 2005 7:28:13 GMT -5
One thing that has struck me as odd too is that Ric Flair made the claim in his book that Randy was an average wrestler who had to plan out his entire match in advance. This claim, the first I'd ever heard about this, that Randy was an average wrestler was refuted by HTM, Ricky Steamboat, Bret Hart, Mick Foley and the Ultimate Warrior - none of whom were on WWE's payroll (at the time) and had no vested interest.
Maybe it's just me being paranoid but doesn't that strike anyone as a little odd that no-one mentions that Randy is actually a guy who got lucky until now. Oh and how can they explain the great matches he put on with guys not exactly renowned for setting the heather alight - Warrior, Hogan, George Steele, christ he even took Brian 'Crush' Adams to a good match!
Something here stinks and I've said it before and will say it again: If the sales are good then this Warrior DVD is only the beginning. Savage wont be too far down the line and I also believe it's the reason they got Bret to sign on to do the DVDs...
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Post by "The Tie-Dye Dream" Ricky Cool on Oct 5, 2005 16:44:09 GMT -5
The resson as far as I know for The WWE not associating with Randy Savage is due to his actions when he left WWF for WCW.
Randy Never handed in any notice, didn't tell anyone he was leaveing and had accepted bookings for Cometery jobs at up comeing WWF Events.
And one day just never turned up for work, Didn't return any of Vince or Co's Calls and turned up on Nitro a few hours later leaveing the WWF with out a comentatory 5 mins before Air time.
Hence why Jerry Lawler got promoted to main Colour man on RAW.
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Post by Hellwig on Oct 6, 2005 6:07:03 GMT -5
The resson as far as I know for The WWE not associating with Randy Savage is due to his actions when he left WWF for WCW. Randy Never handed in any notice, didn't tell anyone he was leaveing and had accepted bookings for Cometery jobs at up comeing WWF Events. And one day just never turned up for work, Didn't return any of Vince or Co's Calls and turned up on Nitro a few hours later leaveing the WWF with out a comentatory 5 mins before Air time. Hence why Jerry Lawler got promoted to main Colour man on RAW. I didn't know that however the point remains that Vince has still mended fences with: 1) Guys who testified against him in a federal steroid trial - Hulk Hogan and Superstar Billy Graham 2) A guy who spat in his face on live television and then attacked him backstage - Bret Hart 3) A guy who 'lost his smile' and completely ruined the build for the biggest event of the year. - Shawn Michaels and Wrestlemania 14 4) Guys who publically denounced the immorality of modern day wrestling and WWE in paricular - Ted DiBiase and Goldberg 5) A man who tried to put him out of business with his aggressive promoting and someone who took great personal pleasure in the failure of WWE - Eric Bischoff And many, many others. If the olive branch can be extended to these guys then why not Savage? |
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Post by Iceman on Oct 6, 2005 6:15:54 GMT -5
Hmm...interesting points guys.
That is weird that Flair bashed Randy about him only being an "average" Wrestler, anybody, Wrestling fan or not knows that isn't true. Randy has had some of the best feuds in History and could do it with anybody. He may have the "Most Best Feuds Ever", quantity wise. I think Ric simply never got along with Randy or liked him. They were both kind of similar Wrestlers when you think about it attitude wise and even wardrobe. So when both of them were in the ring they both wanted to be #1.
Well I think Randy was sick of Vince's idea to have him do commentary (which he was cool at) more than Wrestle. This was at the same time that Vince wanted to push newer Stars, same reason Hogan left for WCW. Randy still wanted to be a Heavyweight Champion which he did in WCW.
Good examples Warrior. I forgot about some of them. Your right too, and they were some serious mends, so like I said this thing with Vince and Randy must be major or really bad. Randy becomes mum on some occasions though, and this is one of them. He has always been mum on Lex Luger and the Death of Elizabeth too. Kinda weird.
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Post by "The Tie-Dye Dream" Ricky Cool on Oct 6, 2005 11:22:34 GMT -5
Well here's an odd fac that makes the Randy/WWE situation even more odd.
All the ones who have been mentioned were for ages after Blasted by the WWF/E when ever the chance arrose.
Bret with the constant Montreol reffrences, Hogan with continuas jibes and so on.
But with the exeption of the NACHO MAN in the month or so after Randy left he's been left pretty much alone and not insulted or demined by the WWF.
And in There Monthly RAW magazine when ever Randy is mentioned it is alwasys in very respectfully way. Also When Randy Savages WCW contract was comeing to an End HE Did apparantly open negotiations with Vince about a return but then all went silent and he sat otu the remainder of his WCW contract and did not appeer again till the TNA apperneces.
So what ever is between Randy and Vince must be bad but not bad enough to warrent WWE trying to ruin Savages legecy.
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Post by Iceman on Oct 6, 2005 17:54:57 GMT -5
Hmm, that makes it sound like Vince and Randy have tried to come to aggreements but it simply didn't work out. And your right Ricky, I guess the WWE and Vince really have never said anything bad about each other now that I think about it.   |
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Post by "The Tie-Dye Dream" Ricky Cool on Oct 6, 2005 17:58:14 GMT -5
I think Only Flair's ever blasted Randy.
Even Hulk Hogan on his HULK STILL RULES Video/DVD dosen't blasted Randy as a perfomer Worker. He just says that Randy can be an unstable person in real life.
Which is true Randy can be off the wall at times
(No were neer as bad as Warrior though!!!)
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Post by 3rd Hardy on Oct 20, 2005 16:40:13 GMT -5
I think it's shocking that macho man has not been brought back. every body else from that era has come back.
to me randy savage was the best. in the late 80s early 90s.
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Post by Iceman on Oct 23, 2005 23:34:52 GMT -5
to me randy savage was the best. in the late 80s early 90s. How true indeed...Ohhh Yeahhh...lol. |
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Post by tysontomko on Nov 12, 2005 22:47:27 GMT -5
I just like to point out even Jakks never as any good luck with Savage as well!!
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Post by johnzplan on Nov 12, 2005 23:57:34 GMT -5
ahh man i have to interfear in this conversation..... I don't think the whole stephanie mcmahon and macho man sleeping together is true by all means..... Stephanie was a minor at the time macho left WWF for WCW and the dievorce between macho and lizz did not take place until 1992 and macho stayed with the WWF for the next two years after they broke up and once macho officially left WWF, the next TV Broadcast Vince Mcmahon personally wished him the best of luck and during the story of lizz death stephanie said she looked up to her. so i don't think the story is true about the situation.... lol
however Macho man is known for being very stubborn backstage which could be the reason why Vince don't wanna assocate with him but Vince mcmahon made this famous when he said never say never in the WWE.
there was a rumor why macho man and georgous George left WCW because they were in talks with the WWE and they both asked for there release and eric would not let them go which there was a blow up between them two. who knows eric bishoff might have something to do with macho man not coming to the WWE again.
than again he might make the WWE Hall of fame in 2006 hopefully along with Lizz and they are keeping this hush hush til wrestlemania 22
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Post by Iceman on Nov 13, 2005 23:30:28 GMT -5
Ya, I never believed that Stephanie and Macho rumor. Vince would have had to say one bad thing about it, simply mention it, or even said something towards Macho Man which he never did. So ya, Vince was really mad over this, so mad he never mentioned it, lol.
Never knew Macho wanted to leave WCW towards the end to go back to the WWF, that would of been cool actually to see him back there.
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